Midnight Sun/Shard's Dominion discussion

[† Lux Teper †]

:climbs up to his tower and sits with his legs crossed, humming:

[Miri Mojito]

Well SIgn Naraaine up... She is shans apprentice so im not sure what task she could be doing... anything is probably fine, just so long as she is able to stay close ot her master.

[Cirith An'Gol]

I'm still up for playing Xerron. He's not much of a actor though, his only link to the Jedi was his uncle and he was pretty much thrown out of the order by the time Xerron was training under him.

Oh and sometime in the future Karl, I think we'll need a confrontation to arise between Shard and Xerron. Though, that probably won't be hard to come up with, lmao.
Y'know kinda slap him down a notch or two, lol. At this point Xerron's all cocky, arrogant and thinking he's totally awesome because of his specialized abilities and his talent with a lightsaber, lol.

I need a staggering point for my character, so he can get into his new attitude in Amid the Dust.

[Karl the Unfettered]

The more the merrier. Always glad to have a skilled RPer!

[Mara]

You should update the list, Karl.

[syndrias]

Sign Syn Vatoma up please, she is Visari's new apprentice so she is more than likely going to get involved.

[Cirith An'Gol]

*is grinning like mad* lol

[Deceit *Drinker of Jawa-Juice*]

And when you update the list, put Hsi in there as Droid-master. He doesn't seem to be on there...

And for those of you who don't have it already, here is a link to the NPC sign up thread for the upcoming battle: swrponline2.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=npcs&thread=7536

[† Lux Teper †]

Karl asked for mission ideas so I'm delivering:
Well lux is always looking for new potential research material. He could use bits of the dominion for expeditionary missions. After all, he's got to have someone to use as a meatshield when things get hairy XD

[Karl the Unfettered]

Alright, for serious now.

Are there any Dominionites not involved in any of the major battles? Let me know and I'll have a word with people in charge to arrange something for you guys to do. It'll be fun.

[Casual]

Yea, T3's up for some dusting off and some action. Anything you have in mind would be great.

[Karl the Unfettered]

swrponline2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=roleplayrequests&action=display&thread=8088

Who's up for it!

Drake, I think this will be perfect for Kurtz and Marie to go on; if anyone else is game, go post in that thread.

[Deceit *Drinker of Jawa-Juice*]

Okay, so I had this idea of Hsi making his own brigade of Dominionite troops slightly based on a modernized version of a Roman Legion. Sounds crazy right? Well, it would basically be a spec-ops squad of soldiers who carry full body shields with little notches on the sides that they can prop a carbine, pistol, or SMG/repeater of some kind and fire at the enemy. They would be able to march forward or charge, and they'd be a perfectly organized squad with custom made armor and weapons from Hsi's armory. This is just the basic idea, if I get any leeway from you (Karl) I'll go into detail and start seriously asking for volunteers for this spec-ops group.

We'd haveplaces for non-force users and force users alike. And all in the name of the glorious Dominion and Shard. Ooh-rah! So yeah, if you, Karl, or anybody else is interested I would love go on and on about details.

[Deceit *Drinker of Jawa-Juice*]

( Double post, yes. Care? No. )

Kay, Karl gave me the , "Go for it!"

Purpose: Small squads will be formed. These are the spec-ops. They are designed to work perfectly together in small groups to go in and f-%* up anybody that is bothering the Dominion. They will kill you indiscriminately, and thoroughly. Groups of five or six are usually used. Their not exactly stealthy, but they are deadly efficient.

The Legion is employed for full scale land battles. Like on Rhen Var. They act as a living sea of moving barricades with full body shields. They have two main purposes; to push the front lines forward with minimum casualties, reach and destroy bunkers or defensive emplacements, or to support large, heavy armor against ground troops. Legions can be quickly disassembled into small squadrons strategically.

~*~

Training: Training is brutal and antagonizing. You will be drilled, and drilled, and drilled again until you breath every movement. You will learn how to use shield, sword, carbine, and hand-held weapons, ( prefferably small SMGs or repeaters. ) You will be fearless, and taught how to move perfectly in sync with both your small squad and your legion. Every member of the Legion must drop their ego for the glory of Shard, and treat their brethren well. You will be taught to leave no man left behind at all, unless it is a direct order from Shard.

~*~

Appearance: Rust red version of this: images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/5/58/Close_Quarters_Combat_Trooper.jpg

Their shields are essentially very wide, oval shaped shields. The shield is tall/wide enough to cover the entire body, but light enough to be carried on one arm. It drastically affects aim and mobility, but also makes one impenetrable to blaster fire and most slug rounds, except very close shotgun or, generally, sniper powered shots. There are minor parts of the body which stick out, and two or three vulnerabilities. But they are too small to be exploited without some skill or knowledge.

Adjustable notches on the far right of the shield allow you to keep almost all of your body behind the shield while still being able to fire-back. The only solid parts of the shield cover the main body, and is 2 and a half feet wide from left to right, and about five feet tall from bottom to top. This is made out of a semi-heavy but durable shield. The rest of the shield is an energy field that runs for high dollars; needless to say, that is why there aren't very many of these troops. The energy shields continue out in all directions, shielding the wielder. It has a bit of a curve around the left and right side to slightly protect from the sides.

Half a foot to the right of the phsyical shield exists the notch. The strategy behind the energy shield portion of the shield is to make it be able to protect from most slug rounds while not having it too heavy, and protecting from virtually all blaster shots, also; excellent visibility for the wielder.

Armor: All armor built to the specific traits of the person. While standard trooper armor remains the same in design, function varies from the specifications of each trooper. Basic design isn't really designed for any real effectiveness in battle, mostly just to look cool and keep a uniform expectation. Force-using Sith/non-force-using-Leaders who join are not forced to wear the armor.

~*~

Why?: Because its awesome.
Why?(Continued): Because I was studying Rome and was thinking, "You know what Star-Wars needs?"
Why?(Continued, continued): Other than the Sith Lords themselves, the Dominion has no power-house to build off of. They are basically dogs of the Sith Empire. They have individualized groups and raiders and blah-blah-blah, but I thought, "Other than that, they really don't have anything to say as far as strong, legendary groups. Sith empire has their super groups, Mandalorians, while standard soldiers are already epic, have their legendary squads, and even the meek Republic have their glory. Now, for the Dominion. And what better way than to take hints from what is quite possibly *the* most powerful military in known history. Now, don't get me wrong, Modern Military gets their props, but I seriously prefer classic Roman organization and formations." There's a reason Rome settled in the land shaped as a boot. Because they kicked the world's ass.

So, that's it in a nut-shell folks.

[Dire Wolf]

>_< I know that I'm not in this faction, or this discussion, but I do feel the need to say this. If y'all wanna ignore me, feel free to do so. In fact, if I were you, I'd probably extend el middlero finger..o(?)... but yeah.

Anyways, as one of the resident techie's on swu (and military "expert" ((people have called me that. >.<)) d00ds. Though I don't pretend to know everything, and make assumptions here and there)... I must say that this group is a little (exceedingly) over-powered. And judging by the shields, I was half expecting you to try and make them out of beskar, or phrik, or some other lightsaber resistant/proof material. But I know you better than that, Deceit. ; D

But yeah... so this actually made me think. Does a faction like the dominion: small, single world, and reliant on brigands and corsairs ($$$) to bring in income, have the necessary capitol to create, train, and outfit a group such as this? I don't know. I know that the Sith only just have the funds for their Jedi hunters, and the Republic has plenty for their myriads of spec ops units. Though they are notably larger and have more funding than we can imagine. Then the mandos, those OPed besterds, they are more or less the equivalent of spartans... and, to boot, they don't rely on training or outfitting. Seeing as both are provided through their own families (training), and by themselves (equipment.)

Now, with the training... the Dominion would have to pay for all that. The Sith are funding a war, and likely wouldn't throw much more the dominion's way. And I don't just mean the individual recruit's training. They'd either have to pay a fair chunk of change to bring in a guy, or multiple guys, to train the legion to do the professional things. Like personal shield tactics (that isn't exactly something that I'd expect brigands and pirates to know), squad shield tactics, and probably battle movement as well. Or, they'd pay a fair chunk of change to bring in the guy/s to train other guys to train your group. They'd also have to pay those guys that are being trained. Not only that, but you'd have to pay for the shields (which would be alot, judging by how their light, but strong enough to deflect most slugthrowers. Trust me.

Modern ceramic trauma plating for body armor is 6lbs per 10 x 12", and that's just for direct-shot modern pistols (9mm). Imagine holding something that is thick enough to stop everything short of a big-bore high power rifle, and big enough to cover most of your body. Ontop of that, you'll have to throw on extra weight for energy-weapon coverage. Dunno much about those specifics, though. >.<

Wow. That turned from cost to weight. >.< Sorreh. Anyways, yeah. A shield like that would be heavy and expensive. Now, imagine giving that to five or six guys, and/or a 'living sea' of troops (and training them to use it like you outlined).

I would say that something like this would work if you toned it down a bit. Maybe make the shields something to stop energy weapons, seeing as slugthrowers aren't commonly used amongst governments in this timeline. Or, hell, just have 'em use a dedicated shield man with a gun guy using him as mobile cover. That'll cut the cost in half. xD So... great concept, I've always been fond of the "tanks" in MMO's and stuff... and I'd probably consider making a standalone character not unlike this. xD Lord knows I was thinking about something along these lines with my grey jedi.

Anywho... I'm sorry if this post sounded bad in any way, I tried to keep it as light hearted as possible. <3 you, Deceit. *manloves* Just tryin' to keep stuff fair. And, yeah, I won't be too hurt if y'all ignore me. I'm just some loony git who gets his kicks by stalking threads from time to time when he should be posting instead. <_<;;;;;;

[Deceit *Drinker of Jawa-Juice*]

Thanks with love, Dire.

Okay, since I don't want to make the Dominion...Broke, I'm gonna change my ideas a bit. And all of those shields were just concept work. I have to work out details and blah, blah, blah.

Armor, really, it stays the same.

Shield, I'll take Delta's idea of having it just an energy based shield, but that's a bit disappointing; seeing as though I was hoping they could shield bash opponents. Meh, oh well. The main point is to push front lines up.

I don't see why training would cost *that* much. Hsi and a few other guys could train them until everybody figures it out themselves. May take quite a bit, tho, but it'd be worth it.

Also, by 'living sea' I meant, maybe only 40-50 troops.

Anyways, all of this weapons and armor would have to be approved in the tech section.

[Dire Wolf]

Ahh. You could still shield bash your enemies with energy based type shields. Could just coat a normal ballistic riot shield with ablative anti-energy materials. Cuts the cost quite a bit. xD But training to make them effective would be pretty steep, its not exactly a simple thing to train people to be super-effective. But then... I was getting the "special operations" military vibe from this. Maybe you weren't going for that. xD *shrugs*

[Karl the Unfettered]

Delta has good ideas. And the training shouldn't be an issue; Shard has a fellow named Kurtz lurking around, former Sith specops.

In any event, money isn't really an issue; we've got corporate backing out the wazoo.

[Dire Wolf]

Does Kurtz know how to tactically use a roman styled legionairre super-shield in unison with fifty to sixty other guys? =P

Edit: Other thought: Doesn't the idear of the legion kind of go against the whole feel of the dominion? I mean, just from reading about you guys, you come across as privateers. Not super-well trained special forces operators.

[Karl the Unfettered]

Deceit's idea is more of a subset within the Dominion, not the whole. Surely thirty or so men could be appropriately outfitted for the necessary tactics, and then the training would come later. Odds are Shard could either sweet-talk a fellow into doing it for cheap or just rip the knowledge and skills wholesale from his head and train them himself.

And where do you think my privateers came from? If they're not lifelong convicts Shard freed or recruited (a la Richard B Riddick ), they're retired (willingly or otherwise) specops dudes who weren't ready to put the guns/blades/whatever down. Or something, I dunno.

Besides, the whole shield tactics thing, wasn't that standard training for Roman footsoldiers? Not necessarily special forces stuff, I would imagine.