The Motherfarkin' Boat

[Karl the Unfettered]

Official Name: The Motherfarkin' Boat
Faction/Affiliation: Romeo
Classification: Light freighter

Stock/Custom: Custom

Dimensions-
Height: 15m
Width: 50m
Length: 115m

Manufacturer: Corellian shipyards

Energy Source: 2x Type 95 Heavy-duty Fission Reactors

Hyperdrive Rating: 2

Crew Necessity: 4

Armament:
-2x Concussion Torpedo Tubes (10 per tube)
-4x Heavy Laser Batteries (2 to fore and aft)
-7x Point Defense Lasers (2 to fore and aft, 1 to top, port and starboard)

Passenger Capacity: 7
Cargo Capacity: 250 tons
Consumables: 3 months
Hanger Facilities/Starfighter Capacity: N/A

Other:
-Military-grade jamming equipment
-Long-range precision sensors
-Various hidden, scanner-shielded compartments
-2x docking claws

Statistics-
Speed: 8
Maneuverability: 7
Effectiveness vs. Starfighters: 7
Effectiveness vs. Capital Ships: 3
Armor: 5
Shielding: 6
Sensors: 8
Reliability: 5

Description/Role: Stolen from smugglers by the rogue Green Meadows assassin Romeo. Docked at Nar Shaddaa one day, Romeo stole aboard and waited for the crew to come back; when they arrived he stepped out and challenged the captain to a one-on-one duel, for control of the ship. After winning, he threw the corpse out and intimidated the remaining crew into staying on and manning the vessel for him.

[Trellheim]

Out of curiosity, and there probably isn't anything wrong with this, but five grown men were that scared of one trained warrior that they didn't think they could take him on? I mean, these are obviously Mandalorians and fiercesome warriors so I find it a bit implausible that they'd just stand down, let alone continue to man the ship.

[Karl the Unfettered]

It's either kill a few Mandos and stare the rest into working for him, or kill the entire crew and hire a few random mercs as the crew.

Not like it hasn't happened before. Mandalorians respect people who can beat them in a fight: remember from KotOR and KotOR 2? When Canderous found out you were the Revan he swore he would follow you no matter what. And when the Exile is at the camp everyone speaks highly of the Jedi and their combat skills; when she beats them in the battle circle they're openly complimentary of her.

There's other examples, but those stand out, if you ask me.

[Latus]

Right, gotta pull out my tech criticism shoes...

Dec 28, 2010 16:12:30 GMT -5 Karl the Unfettered said:

Official Name: The Motherfarkin Boat Really?
Faction/Affiliation: Romeo
Classification: Assault corvette Good but likely anti-capital ship support. I'll get more to that in a moment.

Stock/Custom: Stock

Dimensions-
Height: 50m
Width: 60m
Length: 210m Seems a bit too perfectly sized...

Manufacturer: Mandalorian shipyards

Energy Source: Type 60 Hypermatter Reactor Hypermatter seems a little over worked for a mandolorian ship. Plus its instability means you will be refueling constantly. Not good for a fugitive on the go.

Hyperdrive Rating: 2

Crew Necessity: 5 Intimidating mandalorians... not bloody likely. Also, it seems low for a Corvette. A Galactic Civil War Corvette (Corellian Blockade Runner), a "modern" corvette, had a minimum crew of 7.

Armament:
-2x Assault Concussion Missile Tubes (10 per tube) Maybe knock down the missiles per tube, these things are huge.
-6x Light Turbolaser Batteries (3 to a side) Turbolasers =/= anti-fighter
-3x Point Defense Lasers (To the fore) Point Defense Lasers =/= effective fighter cover if based to the front.
-1x Light Ion Cannon (Turret-mounted on the underside) Seems redundant.

Passenger Capacity: 10
Cargo Capacity: 1000 tons
Consumables: 1 year
Hanger Facilities/Starfighter Capacity: N/A

Other:
-Military-grade jamming equipment
-Long-range precision sensors
-Heavy tractor beam A heavy tractor beam is something you would find on a destroyer or a cruiser not a corvette. It doesn't make sense for a corvette to have a tractor beam.
-2x docking claws

Statistics-
Speed: 8
Maneuverability: 5
Effectiveness vs. Starfighters: 8 Way too high. The point defense guns are at the front and the light turbolasers are not meant to hit fightercraft.
Effectiveness vs. Capital Ships: 6 Those light turbolasers again wouldn't drain a heavy capital ship shield much less do real damage. Those concussion missiles are limited in utility and can be turned away by certain types of shields (particle).
Armor: 6 High for the speed. Speed indicates lower mass that would be provided by a high armor.
Shielding: 7 High for the class. A 7 would be seen on a cruiser or higher but even the Ogma-Class Frigate has 5 in armor/shields/speed.
Sensors: 7
Reliability: 6

Description/role: Stolen from the Mandalorians by the rogue Green Meadows assassin Romeo. Docked at Nar Shaddaa one day, Romeo stole aboard and waited for the crew to come back; springing from ambush he killed the captain and two of the officers, intimidating the remaining crew into staying on and manning the vessel for him.

Killed the captain and 2 officers... kinda wussy for mandos in a 3 on 1 fight. Also, you wouldn't be able to intimidate a mandalorian crew, if anything they would go down fighting you even if they did die.

This is what I see that is wrong, mostly in regards to the attributes.

Edit: Canderous was a Mercenary. If these were Mandalorian Naval personnel they wouldn't just give up their ship what may have been destined to fight the republic and die a hero's death.

[Trellheim]

He didn't beat them in a fight, though. Mandalorians believe in honor and you just stepped out of the shadows and slaughtered their COs.

[Karl the Unfettered]

Adjusted stats and weaponry, however I stand by Romeo intimidating the crew into staying on. He's one of the Merchants of Death, after all, plus if they were in the Mando navy they wouldn't be docking at Nar Shaddaa. They have their own planets and facilities, they wouldn't have to stay over at some scummy place like the Smugglers' Moon.

[Latus]

Dude, a 1 point adjustment isn't an adjustment. You need to look deeper into what this ship is going to be doing. Its stats are still higher than a frigate that has higher capacity and capabilities than this little corvette. A corvette, no matter how heavily armed is not going toe to toe with a frigate. There is a size, armor, and shielding difference that makes it so. The speed you want is very high, requiring a high reactor draw. The armor and shielding does not reflect these qualities.

Statistics-
Speed: 8 - This is good. A corvette is supposed to be fast, even more so if that is its primary function.
Maneuverability: 5
Effectiveness vs. Starfighters: 7 - Turbolasers are ineffective and Point Defenses havea limited range. A 7 is a craft that is built to kill starfighters; this craft is not.
Effectiveness vs. Capital Ships: 5 No higher than a 4. A broadside with 3 turbolasers will not bring down a capital ship.
Armor: 5 -Mobility is your ally here. High armor like this does not support such high mobility.
Shielding: 7 -This is as hgih as some Battleships. The reactor draw to provide this level of protection is much higher than a corvette could ever produce, even with Hyper-Matter.
Sensors: 7
Reliability: 7 -The larger the ship, the more systems, the lower the reliability. Anything over 5 is unrealistic for a craft of this size.

And Wild-Westerner has the best argument here. A mandalorian, by nature, only follows someone he considers honorable. Romeo is not worthy of said honor for he killed the Captain and Officers in an honor-less manner.

They would not follow you.

Also, if ten knew that you killed their commanders and you said you were taking over they would not welcome you with open arms. They would pull out blasters and shoot you repeatedly.

Edit: Also, 10 is a skeleton crew, necessary to get a ship of this size from point A to point B. A corvette will likely have 30 men + if you want to fight efficiently. Even more of a reason your MoD would not have taken this over on his lonesome.

[Talau the Ever-Lurking]

I suggest you take Lat's comments to heart Karl...several of the mod team already agree on the fact that what you are implying happened is more than a bit unlikely even for an MoD.

[sparrow]

Speed: 8 - This is good. A corvette is supposed to be fast, even more so if that is its primary function.

That's starfighter speed. A fast capital ship would have maybe a 6.

plus if they were in the Mando navy they wouldn't be docking at Nar Shaddaa.

This of course begs the question what a bunch of mando mercs are doing docking a capital ship in a public lot, and apparently forgetting to lock up when they disembarked.

Third point. Captaining a ship with a sizable crew requires a certain amount of leadership. This is something that every one of the GM assassins lack.

[Karl the Unfettered]

Major overhaul. One of these days I'd love it if I could apply for something without causing a huge ruckus. xD

[Latus]

Surefire way to prevent "ruckus." Put more thought into the attribute scale of your ship and use some common sense.

Dec 28, 2010 16:12:30 GMT -5 Karl the Unfettered said:

Official Name: The Motherfarkin' Boat Really?
Faction/Affiliation: Romeo
Classification: Light freighter Keep this is mind, I will go over it in a moment.

Stock/Custom: Custom Yay dynamic-class light freighters.

Dimensions-
Height: 15m
Width: 50m
Length: 115m Some very exact dimensions... no decimals or anything.

Manufacturer: Corellian shipyards

Energy Source: 2x Type 95 Heavy-duty Fission Reactors

Hyperdrive Rating: 2

Crew Necessity: 4 Much more realistic. Smugglers =/= Super-Assassins

Armament:
-2x Concussion Torpedo Tubes (10 per tube)
-4x Heavy Laser Batteries (2 to fore and aft)
-7x Point Defense Lasers (2 to fore and aft, 1 to top, port and starboard) Why does a light freighter have point defense, anti-fighter guns? That screams smuggler. Subtlety is what you want. This is not.

Passenger Capacity: 7
Cargo Capacity: 250 tons
Consumables: 3 months
Hanger Facilities/Starfighter Capacity: N/A

Other:
-Military-grade jamming equipment
-Long-range precision sensors
-Various hidden, scanner-shielded compartments There is a reason Han Solo (a BA smuggler) had to dump his cargo to avoid the imperials. Scans are meant to go through EVERYTHING.
-2x docking claws

Statistics-
Speed: 8 Still decidedly fast for a light freighter. Knock it down to 7.
Maneuverability: 7 A little too high, comparable to many modern fighters. You have something half the size of a corvette, not likely to make the kessel run in record parsecs.
Effectiveness vs. Starfighters: 7 This is a freighter, not an anti-fighter dedicated ship.
Effectiveness vs. Capital Ships: 3
Armor: 5 No. A freighter no matter how modified will have the same armor rating as a military grade frigate.
Shielding: 6 No. With a smaller reactor, even those heavy duty ones, a freighter would not be able to weather military concentrated fire better than a frigate built to be front line.
Sensors: 8
Reliability: 5 Good.

Description/Role: Stolen from smugglers by the rogue Green Meadows assassin Romeo. Docked at Nar Shaddaa one day, Romeo stole aboard and waited for the crew to come back; when they arrived he stepped out and challenged the captain to a one-on-one duel, for control of the ship. After winning, he threw the corpse out and intimidated the remaining crew into staying on and manning the vessel for him.

Common sense, dude.

[sparrow]

Umm... Lat? This thing isn't a light freighter. It's a bulk freighter, like this: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Action_VI_transport

Or maybe a medium transport, like this: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rebel_Transport

A light freighter is a ship like the Ebon Hawk, Millennium Falcon, or Outrider, roughly 30m in length, give or take. A light freighter might have a 7/6 in speed/maneuverability if it was heavily customized and upgraded. A bulk freighter? Not so much.

[Karl the Unfettered]

Latus, I don't understand what you're saying. Why do you keep harping on the dimensions? What's wrong with neat little exact numbers?

5-6 are the average for stats, all across the board. I don't expect to withstand a salvo or whatever, but I also expect not to be blown apart by a single shot, so for the sake of staying alive why lower the armor and shielding? They're already average.

Sparrow, I checked other light freighter apps on this site, and they all were within 100-120 meters in length.

[Talau the Ever-Lurking]

my vote: Let Arh handle it from here boys.

[Latus]

His classification says light freighter but its sized like a medium.

The reason I'm hitting you hard on attributes is the fact that this is not a warship. Because the attribute system is based on all existing craft not just light freighters a 6 is really high in terms of effectiveness in anything. An 8 is faster than most intereptors for speed.

Honestly at this point you would be good with knocking a point off of the things I have qualms with. Still, these characteristics are very high for this class and size of ship.

I will comply with Talau, however. It is Arheim's duty after all, not mine.

[Karl the Unfettered]

Someone move this to the tech graveyard/archive. I give up.