Question: Gray jedi - faction?

[Jeh'rad Verai'cal]

Hello,

I have a simple question that spired from an idea that I suddenly got.

One:
What faction is a Gray jedi considered to be? Mira said that they were neutral, but if that is the case, wouldn't it make more sence to have them sanctioned in military, or fringe, maybe even dark jedi, instead of jedi?

Two:
Does a gray jedi count as a jedi/darkjedi character, seeing as you are only allowed one jedi character and one dark jedi character?

Three:
Is it possible to create a gray jedi, who now functions as either a military, a fringe or a civil character?

Four - this is more of a note than an actual question:
Gray jedi are not allowed to keep their lightsabers, and there is no way that they could, unless they:

A: Hand in another lightsaber upon resignition, fx a modified trainings saber,
B: if they shortly before their resignition repport their lightsaber lost/destroyed,
C: If they never do resign (and just doesn't show up anymore), or atleast not face to face. I suppose the jedi council could be reached by comlink...
D: If believed dead.

as far as I can tell, these are the only reasons a gray jedi would be allowed to keep his intitial lightsaber... Good luck stealing it back... Sure they gonna let you keep it if you make pup eyes...
I mean, even if the GJ said that he didn't bring it with him, I believe that they would detain him untill he would reveal the location of his hidden saber.

The reason for this comment is that the most reason gray jedi character I read about wanted to keep his initial lightsaber. Ofcourse, this is not meant as a personal attack on that person as he obviously was not aware. However, it seemed that Mira who was sanctioning his character, also was not aware, and if the mods don't know about this, then fat chance this rule will count, no offence meant to Mira either, we'r all human here and i might just be wrong, which leads me to my final point:
Is this a rule that the council still enforces? After the near-destruction of the jedi order I mean.

Five - This is the actual idea that my 4 questions spired from, I'd like some comments, on possible complications:

While I am interested in clarification on this subject, what I really wan't to know is if it is allowed to create an ex-jedi who left the order willingly and now opperates as a bounty hunter. The twist of the character is that he has nearly fallen from the light, and now doubts the councils judgement. He believes that if you wish to rid the galaxy of evil, you need to start with the criminals. The reason for this is that, after hunring a very powerful crimelord for several years with his master, he alone dealt a powerfull blow to this crimelord while his master was elsewhere (first mission alone). This resulted in the council seeing him fit for knighthood, and on the very day he was promoted, his master was killed by an assasain, hired by this crimelord. He then hunted the crimelord on his own, using the order as resource. On his way to his goal, he violated the code several times, and so on and eventually he gets his man and tears him apart, and then leaves the order, spitting on the floor of the council chambers as they ask him to consider re-evaluation.

[Meira]

Well technically, the concept of a Jedi leaving the Order is very rare. The Lost twenty is an example. According to Dooku's history, he is one of the lost twenty, which are Jedi that left the Order. If the Jedi go so far as to give these Jedi a group name, and go even farther and count them, then the idea of having grey Jedi who have left the order should be either not allowed or severely restricted. Of course, we try not to restrict what we don't have to. So I think that, in an effort to keep diversity on this site, some of the rules here are bent (i.e. more characters leave the Order than canon would deem as "normal") If this assumption is true, then the rules about how a Jedi leaves the Order would also have to be bent (i.e. they take their lightsaber with them).

Now to answer your questions in order: Grey Jedi have no faction, this does not necessarily mean that they are neutral. A grey Jedi is very capable of having a high alignment, but not affiliating with the Jedi Order. They do not fit in as well with fringe or military sections unless they are part of that area (i.e. a grey jedi bounty hunter). I believe, and I might be wrong, that one can create a grey jedi app in the fringe section, or military, or what have you. I'm not sure about that, because I haven't come across that scenario as a mod here.

However, it is important to note that there aren't really enough grey Jedi apps to call for their own section, and so we put them with jedi for the sake of easiness.

I do not know the answer to question 2... I'll leave that for Jenno or Xao.

As per question three, to the best of my knowledge, yes.

Like I said before, for the sake of an RP environment, the laws of canon are bent/and/or broken. This allows for more diverse characters, but does require a bit of suspension of those rules.

But as far as I know, what you're wanting to do is possible. You might need to do some talking with the higher up mods about it, as this type of character isn't exactly a common choice, but overall, I don't see the problem with it.

[Jeh'rad Verai'cal]

Thanks for your quick reply... Well, I realize that the number of people willingly leaving the order in the way of resigning has to be kept low for the sake of the lost 20'ies. Do consider the option that the records of people leaving the order before the time of Revan to have been lost or not keptat all. As far as I understand, the sith are now dead and the jedi have recently (within the last 300 years) established them as a faction again. This gives them a good reason to start counting now, as there are probably few of them( few meaning, less than usual). Then why are the lost 20 considered to be the ONLY? Well, why is is the year of 2008? Because that's when we started counting. I realize those two examples don't match very well, but I'm sure you get my point? Also, if the lost 20 are the only to have left the order, what about the many dark jedi who left in other? Aren't they even more lost? It makes no sence to count only those that left the order, to just not be jedi anymore.. And if Dooku is one of them, then they would have to go back to the lost 19's because he became a sith lord.
Enough of that, I suppose it'd make sence to have any gray jedi on the chat be a kickout...

As to the lightsaber part:
I see countless of reasons as to why neither kickouts or "lost x's" should be allowed to keep their lightsaber. Considering the number of gray jedi who make their own way of living, and how many of those who left the order that became dark jedi and battled the repulic, killing so many innocents with their lightsabers... Do I even have to finnish this part of the text?
I mean, why let someone who is considered to be misguided, and has lightsaber training, run around with the most efficient weapon ever? It's stupid, and the republic would frown upon this. Besides, I'm sure any gray jedi, and dark jedi for that matter, who leaves the order and still craves a lightsaber are able to build a new one somehow. Jolee had one anyways. The exile build one from scrap.
If the crystal is considered an issue, I'll refer to another canon example: Juhani replaced her blue lightsaber crystal with a synth crystal, that she must have made on her own.

For the sake of the lost nineteens ( xD ) I'll make my character a kickout I'f i decide to go with it.