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Apr 19, 2009 18:17:14 GMT -5
Post by Hawke Belmont on Apr 19, 2009 18:17:14 GMT -5
The prophecy says that the chosen one will bring balance to the force. Which is Anakin, just...takes about 23 years to finish it. However some things to think about whilst thinking 'bringing balance to the force' 1. Much more Jedi then Sith, 2 Sith at a time if I'm right. By 'balancing' the Jedi number would of have to be severely decreased also to 'balance' it out. Note on old SW Films there is two of each.... Emperor and Vader. Obi-wan/Yoda and Luke.... 2. By 'balancing' the force could it mean wipe it all out? Anakin, and the 501st, destroy nearly every Jedi (Obi-Wan and Yoda go into hiding, but yet they die eventually on the movies). Which means technically they are no Jedi. Vader kills the Emperor and himself, thus effectively, destroying the last Sith. Leaving Luke on his own, maybe to start the order off again? 3. Anakin does bring balance, but it didn't say he had to stay Jedi to do it? Makes you think doesn't it. Feel free to put your own ideas
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May 10, 2009 10:48:48 GMT -5
Post by Hawke Belmont on May 10, 2009 10:48:48 GMT -5
Anyone's views???
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May 10, 2009 11:02:47 GMT -5
Post by Mara on May 10, 2009 11:02:47 GMT -5
Haha, this is something I think about actually. And having just watched the prequels.
One of my theories is that Anakin does indeed bring balance, but indirectly, through his son Luke.
Though, then I think about when Anakin is redeemed, so I go with that theory as well.
It's just one of those puzzles.
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May 25, 2009 10:49:51 GMT -5
Post by Vex on May 25, 2009 10:49:51 GMT -5
Here in lies the problem with prophecy. It's inherently vague and open for interpretation. When you start actively trying to make a prophecy happen (which is what Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan effectively did, eventually with the support of the Council itself), you start working off assumptions. You assume that how you interpret the prophecy is how it is going to happen.
At least with the visions one could have with the Force, a user could know exactly how the outcome was going to be. He/she simply didn't know what steps led up to that vision.
You don't even know that much given a prophecy, since it is simply words given by a fortune teller, in essence, and vague enough to be taken any number of ways.
If you look at the state of the Republic and the Jedi at that time, they were at their height...a level of decadence. When any civilization or group reaches decadence, it seems inexorably prone to starting to rot from within...which is what happened in this case. The Jedi themselves were blinded to it along with their own entitlement. Set themselves up for the fall, especially when they should have known that following that prophecy could only bring ruin.
Anyone could have seen that the Force was out of balance and that any sort of balancing actwould have to require the culling of the Jedi themselves.
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Charlie Sharper
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May 25, 2009 20:38:50 GMT -5
Post by Charlie Sharper on May 25, 2009 20:38:50 GMT -5
Well, the sith thrive on anger and complacency, I mean, they don't believe in balance and peace...So I don't believe that whole "too many jedi thing" and, Darth Vader is the one that throws Sidious/Palpitine/Emporer down the giant random shaft, so it is Anakin, not Luke that destroys the sith
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May 26, 2009 15:16:12 GMT -5
Post by Cavalry King on May 26, 2009 15:16:12 GMT -5
The cannon supports Vader as the Chosen one. Here is why -
Jedi have been high and mighty but they became clouded by their own arrogance, but still the balance of power was to the light. The Sith had been hiding. by Eliminating the Jedi, and then the Sith, Anakin had thus leveled the playing field for both sides and brought balance. I don't think thats what the Jedi's thought balance would mean, but thats what happened.
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Jun 2, 2009 5:06:58 GMT -5
Post by Apillis on Jun 2, 2009 5:06:58 GMT -5
I always saw it the same as CK and Vex mentioned, to "bring balance to the Force", means essentially to have both the light and the dark side on an equal playing field. The Jedi see themselves as balanced, but the Jedi Code prevents them from seeing that it is the Dark Jedi and Sith are their equal opposites within the galaxy and the Force, which is basically what truly balances them within the Force on the grand scale. So, that was a misinterpretation on the Jedi's part.
Palpatine on the other hand believed Vader would be the Sith'ari and thus the Sith would be stronger than ever. However, this was a misinterpretation on his part as well, and so once the dark side became at the height of its power, he didn't foresee Vader redeeming himself effectively eliminating the Sith. But, what he missed was the Sith'ari prophecy had already been fulfilled by Darth Bane. So, Palpatine (i.e. the Sith) helped do was bring about the Sith's own elimination as well.
Remember. Balance. It was not just the Jedi who screwed up, it was the Sith (Palpatine) as well when trying to determine the prophecy of the Chosen One. It wound up taking quite a long time for the Sith to recover their power, and the Jedi for that matter, too.
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Jun 7, 2009 3:05:22 GMT -5
Post by Charlie Sharper on Jun 7, 2009 3:05:22 GMT -5
I just feel that a lot of people take the word "Balance" too literaly in this case, and if your right, then he balanced, then un-balanced the force again by destroying the Emporor, if he was going to "level the playing field" he'd have to kill luke, I mean, he never really destroyed the jedi, but he did destroy the sith, I think that balance means peace and I'm sticking to it, and I'm repeating myself, so I'll butt out for a bit...[POOF]
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Jun 8, 2009 16:57:59 GMT -5
Post by Apillis on Jun 8, 2009 16:57:59 GMT -5
Yes, but bear in mind, Dark Jedi and Sith often spawn from the Jedi themselves. In fact, that's precisely what happened once Luke started creating the New Jedi Order. On top of which, there were still remnants, such as Lumiya and Vergere amongst many others, who revived the Sith later on after the Sith were destroyed with Emperor Palpatine. If the Jedi were to have a "rebirth" via Luke after their elimination over the decades, it's only natural the Sith would too, once they were destroyed.
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Jun 23, 2009 15:54:28 GMT -5
Post by Kayan on Jun 23, 2009 15:54:28 GMT -5
Honestly, balance to the force to me seems that it required a full Restart with a fresh duo. Remember that both Luke and Leia are force sensitives after all.
With the deaths of all the previous Jedi and Sith (as far as was known) Luke and Leia became tasked to restart the whole thing with a choice - something that was really out of balance before. After all - both the Jedi and the Sith would fight to prove that they are right.
Luke on the other hand would decide for himself what path to take since Vader did rebalance the force - an act that now allowed his son to choose freely without the sway of the Emperor - or of a Jedi Master. Leia would then have the same choice if she walked down that path.
By bringing balance to the force - it was not intended as a permanent balance. It was simply a restart - to erase all the conflict that had grown. To this end, vader did bring balance - the old Jedi and the Sith were both removed and a new generation was allowed to rebuild.
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Nov 16, 2009 23:36:28 GMT -5
Post by saga6th on Nov 16, 2009 23:36:28 GMT -5
My interpretation is that Anakin was the chosen one. Some things to ponder though. First I do not think balance has to do with the number of Jedi/Sith ratio. The Jedi realized there was something wrong. They lost their ability to see into the future as we see in Ep III when all of the Jedi get owned by mere troopers and a Sith lord was ruling the Galaxy(granted he was uber powerful). I see them more of a corruption of the true way of the force. Think about it they were forcing young babies into conscription of the Jedi, Not allowing them to get attached to anything or anybody(heaven forbid they marry anyone). Yet preached compassion and selflessness(again look how rich their organization was ironic) Jedi were not always like this we know Naomi Sunrider was the wife of a Jedi who took up his saber when he died. She was a celibrated herione. Now that I think I have established that the Jedi Order was a corrupt organization (not that they were evil just that it was unbalanced) we turn again to Anakin. Here his story reads almost like Eudipes Rex brilliant man the best of man rises to the greatest heights defeating even the Sphynx then betrayed all that he held dear one of the worst tradgedies ever to occur. Did he bring balance? Yes but I think it was possible for him to do so if he remained a jedi as well. But that does not make as good storymaking.
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Jan 14, 2010 17:47:29 GMT -5
Post by hapan on Jan 14, 2010 17:47:29 GMT -5
Consider this though if the council refused to to allow Anakin to be trained and Obi-Wan followed there orders would Anakin still fulfill the proficy? How would it have changed?
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