Blossoming Conquest

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Didn't have anywhere else but the "multi-faction" section to put this.
Faction(s):Order of Shokuur & Independent planets (anyone else has yet to be added/announced)

So once the new Order of Shokuur is established on Shokuur and the templar have united the Kaung'aavi tribes the gears of war will begin to turn. First I'll need to send some emissaries to contact the Sith Empire. The templar, still unknown to the galaxy can be a valuable ally for the Sith, both the Order and the Empire. The details on this will flourish later.

Part of the outcome of our new found alliance will include a handful of landing craft[/u] to jump start the "Shoku" Dynasty conquest. I plan on having the templar and kaung forces invade the nearby planet of Rattatak[/u]. No doubt there will be some struggle at first, but the end objective is to absorb and bolster our numbers with native Rattataki and Vollick forces for the next stage of our conquest...

...Cerea[/u]. Cerea is out of the way from the Republic thus it's relatively peaceful low-tech people and easy terrain should be a fun field trip of a campaign for the hardened "Shoku" forces. Once conquered Cerea will be a valuable resource for supplies, mainly food, water, and Guilea. Gotta keep your army fed some how right?

From here I don't know what will happen. Perhaps absorb the Shadowmen of Nivek[/u] into our military, but maybe not. We'll see after Cerea.[/color]

[sparrow]

If your bio for Illiana is to be believed, Shokuur is near Yavin. All these planets you named are on the opposite side of the galaxy.

[Rugs]

Few things:

To start, doesn't make much sense to me that the Sith would leave alone a group that can a) take recruits from them, being as similar as they are and b) try to to establish an empire that will gobble up resources that they themselves could use and put to better use running their own Empire. I can't see why they'd be willing to lend men and military vessels/equipment to some fledgling, insignificant group when they're needed for their own war. Might get used as bait or something, but I can't see the Sith, being the way they are, letting such growth just go on freely for long.

Secondly, it's going to take a long while before you're ready to go conquesting planets. It doesn't just happen with the snap of a finger, especially when you start out with all of 1,000 warriors, limited resources, no military equipment suited for conquest, and no real military training to speak of. Taking a single world will be task enough; if one of the major powers decides to act on your little order, you'll be crushed. Just making sure you know that.

Third, Cerea is currently being courted both by the Republic and the Sith. It's not something that's going to be given up freely.

And to finish, custom factions are limited to controlling two worlds.

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Mar 20, 2011 3:54:48 GMT -5 sparrow said:

If your bio for Illiana is to be believed, Shokuur is near Yavin. All these planets you named are on the opposite side of the galaxy.

I'm aware of that having studied the galaxy maps, but it's not near Yavin. That shouldn't make it unbelievable at all though.

Mar 20, 2011 9:04:23 GMT -5 Rugs said:

Few things:

To start, doesn't make much sense to me that the Sith would leave alone a group that can a) take recruits from them, being as similar as they are andehhh, we're careful where we get recruits, this shouldn't be an issue. b) try to establish an empire that will gobble up resources that they themselves could use and put to better use running their own EmpireWe wouldn't be "gobbling up" resources the sith could be using because we're on the opposite side of the galaxy.. I can't see why they'd be willing to lend men and military vessels/equipment to some fledgling, insignificant group when they're needed for their own war.It's just a small handful of landing craft... Might get used as bait or something, but I can't see the Sith, being the way they are, letting such growth just go on freely for long.The idea is that we'd be an inconspicuous power that can aid the Sith Empire militarily(on ground engagements) and the Sith Order with exterminating Jedi. We're not going to threaten the Empire, heavens no!

Secondly, it's going to take a long while before you're ready to go conquesting planets. It doesn't just happen with the snap of a finger, especially when you start out with all of 1,000 warriors, limited resources, no military equipment suited for conquest, and no real military training to speak of. Taking a single world will be task enough; if one of the major powers decides to act on your little order, you'll be crushedYou downplay me now...>. Just making sure you know that. I'm aware of all of that ;D

Third, Cerea is currently being courted both by the Republic and the Sith. It's not something that's going to be given up freely. That I didn't know. XD

And to finish, custom factions are limited to controlling two worlds. D: BAAAAAAAAAAAWWWwwwwwwww D;>

[sparrow]

Well, let's look at what we know right now:

At their peak, the Order of Shokuur allegedly had a presence on a little under a dozen planets.

They were able to stay undetected by the Republic, their presence was limited to the Outer Rim and beyond.

These planets must have been rather close to each other, or at least on the same side of the galaxy.

Illiana's bio establishes a considerable Shokuur presence on Yavin.

Therefore, if Yavin was one of the planets with a Shokuur presence, Shokuur itself must be located relatively close to Yavin.

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Mar 20, 2011 14:06:12 GMT -5 sparrow said:

Well, let's look at what we know right now:At their peak, the Order of Shokuur allegedly had a presence on a little under a dozen planets.

They were able to stay undetected by the Republic, their presence was limited to the Outer Rim and beyond.

These planets must have been rather close to each other, or at least on the same side of the galaxy.

Illiana's bio establishes a considerable Shokuur presence on Yavin.

Therefore, if Yavin was one of the planets with a Shokuur presence, Shokuur itself must be located relatively close to Yavin.

AAaah, I see what you mean now. Hmm well if we can't overlook this then I suppose it could be explained some how.

[Rugs]

We wouldn't be "gobbling up" resources the sith could be using because we're on the opposite side of the galaxy.

Considering the Sith held Subterrel until recently, and their current work to expand influence to/take control of Cerea, don't think that you're out of their area of interest.

It's just a small handful of landing craft...

That could be used for the Sith's own interest (they are invaders, after all), rather than being given to some small group so they can go out and do their own thing. If you were a military that was in a war with and trying to destroy the biggest power on the Galactic stage, would you go giving your assets to some little group that came up from nowhere? Besides, it takes much more than just a few landing craft to successfully invade and take over a planet.

The idea is that we'd be an inconspicuous power that can aid the Sith Empire militarily(on ground engagements) and the Sith Order with exterminating Jedi. We're not going to threaten the Empire, heavens no!

Right. I know what you're saying, I'm just looking at this from a Sith POV, partly because one of my characters is a Lord. Obviously the Templars or whatever they're called won't be much of a threat to anyone at the beginning, but consider this: they call on users of the Darkside and fallen Jedi, just as the Sith do. They also apparently have plans to establish some sort of empire (though site limitations sorta push that out the window). Now, if you're fighting to gain as many followers for your own Order as you can to take on the Jedi, why let some other group cannibalize from your pool? Use them for a bit, perhaps, but eventually, they'll have to submit or be struck down before they get in your way. After all, it is the way of the Sith to be greedy, backstabbing, and dominance-minded, is it not?

Besides, the inconspiciousness goes out the window when you get involved in your first battle.

You downplay me now...>

I know you're kidding, but don't go expecting to get power anywhere near what the major factions have. It's not gonna happen. Just making that clear now X)

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

*sound of a record scratching/stopping*
Ok change of plans. Scrap the invasions and visions of an empire. No need to go bringing attention to ourselves if we can't even hold more than 2 planets -.-

THUS, new plan. I'll relocate Shokuur near Nivek and work to absorb the shadowmen amongst our ranks with as little needed resources as possible. The only reason to take Rattatak would be to gain more significant numbers to take Cerea, which we aren't doing now.

With Templar, Kaung'aavi, and Shadowmen we'd be more suited for aiding the Sith Empire in planet side special operations(especially on the Cerean side of the galaxy). We'll go to lengths to not draw attention to our home worlds though.

[Latus]

Gerbil, Nivek/the Shadowmen are neutral. Maybe its for good reason.

What are you going to give them/ do to convince them that they need to join with the Order of Shokuur when they can stay out of the conflict just as easily. Intimidation will likely not work either.

You are trying to turn a whole planet onto the idea that war is good, that attacking the Republic will be for their benefit. How do you plan to do that?

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Mar 20, 2011 15:52:36 GMT -5 Latus said:

Gerbil, Nivek/the Shadowmen are neutral. Maybe its for good reason.

What are you going to give them/ do to convince them that they need to join with the Order of Shokuur when they can stay out of the conflict just as easily. Intimidation will likely not work either.

You are trying to turn a whole planet onto the idea that war is good, that attacking the Republic will be for their benefit. How do you plan to do that?

I'm workin' on it Latus. I'm workin' on it. Gemme time :3 ;D ;D ;D
We'll do some sort of deceptive thing to make the Shadowmen hate the Republic. Sort of like how Nero blamed the burning of Rome on the Christians, Hitler blaming debt on the Jews, and the Dooku blaming Grevious's ship explosion on the Jedi.

[Rugs]

There's also the fact that there's a thread (click[/u]) where a pair of Jedi are stopping an attempt to assassinate Nivek's Prime Director; an assassination that's being attempted by a group that has (iirc, it's been a while since we've discussed this particular part of the plot, since the thread's not up to that point yet) ties to the Sith.

Doing such a thing ain't gonna make the people more receptive to helping the Sith and their allies; if anything, stopping such an assassination attempt would likely only strengthen ties to the Republic.

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Mar 20, 2011 16:11:06 GMT -5 Rugs said:

There's also the fact that there's a thread (click

[/u]) where a pair of Jedi are stopping an attempt to assassinate Nivek's Prime Director; an assassination that's being attempted by a group that has (iirc, it's been a while since we've discussed this particular part of the plot, since the thread's not up to that point yet) ties to the Sith.

Doing such a thing ain't gonna make the people more receptive to helping the Sith and their allies; if anything, stopping such an assassination attempt would likely only strengthen ties to the Republic.[/quote]
Looks like prime time to do some framing of the Jedi. >:]

[Leo]

If there is a military operation, I'd request that Cimberius lead it to prove his worth in the order. Also, hes mostly a warrior rather than a diplomat.

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Mar 20, 2011 18:01:51 GMT -5 Leo said:

If there is a military operation, I'd request that Cimberius lead it to prove his worth in the order. Also, hes mostly a warrior rather than a diplomat.

In due time my friend...in due time. The Templar will have their dramatic entrance soon enough. First we must unite the warring Kaung'aavi on Shokuur.

[Jenno]

Just to clarify.

Custom factions are not limited to controlling two planets.

However, I severely recommend you read or re-read the rules/guidelines about the custom factions here:

swrponline2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=customfactions&action=display&thread=6802

Particularly the 'Disclaimers' part which can be found below the template itself. It talks about how the process of building a faction and helping it grow takes a fair bit of time, and is not simply one invasion after another, given the limited supplies/resources and man-power a single planet, or even couple of planets, can muster.

And yes, if you're looking to establish allies/enemies, don't forget that if you're the other side of the galaxy from the Sith (assuming you manage to ally with them) and start provoking the attention of the Jedi/Republic, your forces will be all on their own.

And also keep in mind, you currently only have four out of five characters signed up to the faction that are approved, two are in pending, one of which will need to be approved before the faction can be, and before any of this can take place.

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

You're absolutely right Jenno. I've been sitting here planning and going over galaxy charts and planet pages on the Wookiee. I've looked at planets on all sides of the galaxy comparing resources, exports, imports, terrain, natives. I know what I'm getting myself into. :3

Alas...now, err...well in the future, we WILL be getting involved on Rattatak.



Jenno Edit: Unnecessary. I spoke to Rugs about it, apparently there was some confusion, which I had to clear up, hence my post.

[Rugs]

Considering that I was repeating what one of the admins has said in the past, you can talk to them about that :3

Looks like prime time to do some framing of the Jedi. >:]

Good luck with that

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Baawww, Jenno removed my Gary Coleman. XD lol
And it is you who will need the luck Rugs, mon ami.

[Rugs]

Considering the assassination will have been stopped and ties exposed before any of you lot show up, I'm sure. But you keep holdin' on to those hopes :3

[☠War☢Gerbil☠]

Mar 20, 2011 21:31:20 GMT -5 Rugs said:

Considering the assassination will have been stopped and ties exposed before any of you lot show up, I'm sure. But you keep holdin' on to those hopes :3

I'm actually contacting Meira about getting me in there some how. And how do you know it will be stopped? o.O The assassins are moving in on the Prime Minister while his jedi protector is off saving the other Jedi who got ganked. And who's to say Meira intends to lose? 0_o